Ticats/City of Hamilton Stadium Talks Thread

[Blogskee Wee Wee]

bob young says "we will make any site work" an offer is made to build a stadium with a retractable roof at no cost to the ticats. mitchel says "we will never play at the W.H . people accuse mayer fred of hidden agendas? it makes me wonder if mitchel is part of a mercanti hotel consortium on the east mountain.any CFL owner would drool at this kind of offer. the ticats are going to cost this city a new stadium and they will never be foregiven. bob should either fire mitchel or consider selling the team.with a new roofed stadium in a downtown location i dont think a buyer will be hard to find. dont blow this bob!

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off? Do you not think Bob Young supports everything Scott Mitchell says? If Mitchel says the Cats will never play at the West Harbour, you better believe that Bob Young supports that stance.

was bob lying when he said that?

Don't know, I'm not Bob Young. You'd have to ask him. My guess would be he changed his mind. But again, that is purely speculation on my part, and I do not want to be accused of speaking for Bob Young.

[section8since72]

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off?

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop.

[Blogskee Wee Wee]

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off?

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop.

Even if Mitchell and Young are playing good cop, bad cop, Young still stands by what Mitchell is saying.

[tripod]

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off?

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop.

a good business man always has an exit strategy.all bob has now is to fire mitchel.if he cant make money with a new free stadium find someone who can

[section8since72]

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off?

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop.

Even if Mitchell and Young are playing good cop, bad cop, Young still stands by what Mitchell is saying.

Not entirely, or they wouldn't need to play good cop, bad cop. The job of bad cop is take risks.

If it all goes sideways and the people start looking for people to string up, bad cop is the patsy he throws to the torch-wielders, along with the politicos. It's always better to be good cop.

[section8since72]

Do you really think Scott Mitchell is just shooting his mouth off?

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop.

a good business man always has an exit strategy.all bob has now is to fire mitchel.if he cant make money with a new free stadium find someone who can

Exactly.

[Beetlejuice]

If the feds are investing money in this then, according to you, people from all over Canada should have a say because their tax money is being used as well. I wonder where people from Coquitlam would like to see the stadium?

or ask them if they even want it.
heres an idea. If the citys portion is say......60 million and the city has about 500k people maybe bob young could stop everyone on the street and just demand 120 bucks from every man woman and child in the city. In these economic times what better way to spend that money than to further enrich a sports team owner whos business loses seven million a year.
I think everyone would happy to hand it over.

[Blogskee Wee Wee]

Not entirely, or they wouldn't need to play good cop, bad cop. The job of bad cop is take risks.

If it all goes sideways and the people start looking for people to string up, bad cop is the patsy he throws to the torch-wielders, along with the politicos. It's always better to be good cop.

The point of good cop, bad cop is to have two people who do share the same opinion try different strategies. One acts like a hard ass (Mitchell) while the other acts like a nice guy (Young) with the hopes of achieving the same end result (the best deal for the Cats). Young wouldn't let Mitchell go off like that if he didn't believe, at least behind closed doors, what Mitchell is doing. Besides, if Mitchell is a loose cannon (as some people are now claiming) when he is employed, what would he be willing to say should he be fired? If he gets fired for playing the "patsy," I doubt he'd still toe the company line.

[Beetlejuice]

Would it be disrespectful to answer "Yes"?

Good cop, bad cop
a good business man always has an exit strategy.all bob has now is to fire mitchel.if he cant make money with a new free stadium find someone who can

Exactly

Thats been obvious for a while. Bob needs to distance himself from scott mitchell and soon.

[Blogskee Wee Wee]

If the feds are investing money in this then, according to you, people from all over Canada should have a say because their tax money is being used as well. I wonder where people from Coquitlam would like to see the stadium?

or ask them if they even want it.
heres an idea. If the citys portion is say......60 million and the city has about 500k people maybe bob young could stop everyone on the street and just demand 120 bucks from every man woman and child in the city. In these economic times what better way to spend that money than to further enrich a sports team owner whos business loses seven million a year.
I think everyone would happy to hand it over.

Are you even capable of replying with anything other than ludicrous statements? You realize all you had to say was, "they could hold a referendum" and you would have accomplished the same point without delving into the absurd.

[Beetlejuice]

If the feds are investing money in this then, according to you, people from all over Canada should have a say because their tax money is being used as well. I wonder where people from Coquitlam would like to see the stadium?

or ask them if they even want it.
heres an idea. If the citys portion is say......60 million and the city has about 500k people maybe bob young could stop everyone on the street and just demand 120 bucks from every man woman and child in the city. In these economic times what better way to spend that money than to further enrich a sports team owner whos business loses seven million a year.
I think everyone would happy to hand it over.

Are you even capable of replying with anything other than ludicrous statements? You realize all you had to say was, "they could hold a referendum" and you would have accomplished the same point without delving into the absurd.

whats absurd. where do you think that money came from? its amazing the people on this site that think 15 million by a team owner is real money while the 160 million of taxpayers money is monopoly money. I know, its not real money, just taxpayers money.
My point was made clearly so that you could understand there is a cost to each person involved.

[tripod]

[ whats absurd. where do you think that money came taxpayers money.
My point was made clearly so that you could understand there is a cost to each person involved.[/quote]
very clearly stated.some people are confused by the facts

[section8since72]

Not entirely, or they wouldn't need to play good cop, bad cop. The job of bad cop is take risks.

If it all goes sideways and the people start looking for people to string up, bad cop is the patsy he throws to the torch-wielders, along with the politicos. It's always better to be good cop.

The point of good cop, bad cop is to have two people who do share the same opinion try different strategies. One acts like a hard ass (Mitchell) while the other acts like a nice guy (Young) with the hopes of achieving the same end result (the best deal for the Cats). Young wouldn't let Mitchell go off like that if he didn't believe, at least behind closed doors, what Mitchell is doing. Besides, if Mitchell is a loose cannon (as some people are now claiming) when he is employed, what would he be willing to say should he be fired? If he gets fired for playing the "patsy," I doubt he'd still toe the company line.

I've worked around PR and spin long enough to have seen this play out before. When the primary stakeholder wants to test the waters with something controversial, he plays nice and sends out his lieutenant to deliver the message. It doesn't matter what the lieutenant thinks, he's very well compensated to deliver a message and he knows that he might be the patsy if things go sideways. Smart lieutenants fall on their swords and don't rat out their bosses, because ratting out your boss makes it hard to be someone else's highly paid lieutenant.

The point wasn't whether Young and Mitchell share the same opinion. You said Young would stand behind Mitchell if things went sideways, and I say he wouldn't.

[Blogskee Wee Wee]

whats absurd. where do you think that money came from? its amazing the people on this site that think 15 million by a team owner is real money while the 160 million of taxpayers money is monopoly money. I know, its not real money, just taxpayers money.
My point was made clearly so that you could understand there is a cost to each person involved.

I get that public funds are going to the project, what's absurd is your idea that Bob Young stop people on the street and ask for money. I know you were saying it to be funny, but as I stated, simply saying something along the lines of "hold a referendum" would have achieved the same goal.

I don't know who you are referring to when it comes to your statements about public money versus private money, but you clearly cannot be talking about me. Never once have I said that the money that the public is putting forth "Monopoly money." You are attempting to put words in my mouth and I will politely ask you to please refrain from doing that. I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself, thank you.

I understand that there is a cost to everyone, but my point was that tax dollars from around the country will go to finance any stadium since the federal government would be pitching in money. If the people of Hamilton get to have a say because their money is going towards it, why isn't that courtesy extended to the millions of Canadians who are having their tax dollars go to go towards it as well?

The point wasn't whether Young and Mitchell share the same opinion. You said Young would stand behind Mitchell if things went sideways, and I say he wouldn't.

Yes, that was my point. Here is what I said:

you better believe that Bob Young supports that stance.

My point had nothing to do with what Bob Young would do if things went sideways, as you say. It simply had to do with some posters claiming that Scott Mitchell was going into business for himself, and that Bob Young does not agree with what Mitchell is saying. If that were the case then Mitchell would already have been shown the door. Mitchell works for Young, and I can't imagine that the owner of any company would have its president out there making statements that the owner did not agree with.

[Earl]

Mitchell is saying exactly what Bob wants him to say, it's just that Bob doesn't have that tough type of talk approach Mitchell has so Bob is deferring to Mitchell.
Both are on not only the same page, but the same sentence and word. It's good for Bob not be in the limelight at this sensitive time right now, notice we haven't heard from Fred either much lately.