How Do You Attack The Riders D?

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How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:51 am

Looking for specifics here on how to exploit any weakness. I'll give my answer after hearing a few suggestions.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:16 am

13 views and no answers? C'mon people, let's try to help MB out.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby disciplineandpunish » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:39 am

Stay committed to running the ball between the tackles. With all the stunting up front, you can sometimes catch the d-linemen looping around and thus out of a gap which means potentially a big play for the running back if he hits the hole explosively.

Attack their secondary with the deep ball. They play a lot of zone behind the defensive line, so pressuring their DBs can sometimes reveal issues in coverage.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:04 am

Good observations, D&P. You've identified two key Rider weaknessess . The cushion given by their DBs and their Offensive Tackles. They got abused last week by Cal.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:13 am

I would throw crossing patterns underneath at them. This takes advantage of the DB cushion. See Ray and Burris.

After a few of those, same thing, but pump fake underneath. Draw everybody in then go for the deep pass to Bruce on the opposite corner of Omar Morgan. That will match him up with either lessers Alexander or Mitchell.

Other thing you can do is once crossing routes have been established is run the same basic routes, looking like you're throwing the underneath route again and then run a delayed draw off that. This could help counter their blitz packages. Any other suggestions? We're open all night.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby disciplineandpunish » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:24 am

Katmandu wrote:I would throw crossing patterns underneath at them. This takes advantage of the DB cushion. See Ray and Burris.

After a few of those, same thing, but pump fake underneath. Draw everybody in then go for the deep pass to Bruce on the opposite corner of Omar Morgan. That will match him up with either lessers Alexander or Mitchell.

Other thing you can do is once crossing routes have been established is run the same basic routes, looking like you're throwing the underneath route again and then run a delayed draw off that. This could help counter their blitz packages. Any other suggestions? We're open all night.


Excellent post. I agree that running different plays off the same look or formation is going to be essential. Your offense should progress over the course of the game. Set up those crossing routes, as you noted, and suddenly you have linebackers jumping underneath routes and potentially giving you one-on-one matchups down field. Bruce vs. Alexander? If I'm a Cat fan I take that matchup all day long.

Even though we didn't win the game, my Als had success going after Alexander on the corner. I hope Gibson and Bellefeuille do the same.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:39 am

Exactly D&P! The Als had great success isolating Alexander and Mitchell with a mismatch. So did Calgary. Are you from Hamilon or elsewhere, D&P?
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Ockham » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:41 am

disciplineandpunish wrote:Stay committed to running the ball between the tackles. With all the stunting up front, you can sometimes catch the d-linemen looping around and thus out of a gap which means potentially a big play for the running back if he hits the hole explosively.

Attack their secondary with the deep ball. They play a lot of zone behind the defensive line, so pressuring their DBs can sometimes reveal issues in coverage.


Unfortunately the TiCats don't have a running back capable of hitting holes between Tackles. Nor do we have a QB capable of attacking with the deep ball.

As we didn't use it last week, the two back set should be given a chance. It would also be nice to see Darcy Brown make a few receptions.

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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:47 am

Ockham wrote:
disciplineandpunish wrote:Stay committed to running the ball between the tackles. With all the stunting up front, you can sometimes catch the d-linemen looping around and thus out of a gap which means potentially a big play for the running back if he hits the hole explosively.

Attack their secondary with the deep ball. They play a lot of zone behind the defensive line, so pressuring their DBs can sometimes reveal issues in coverage.


Unfortunately the TiCats don't have a running back capable of hitting holes between Tackles. Nor do we have a QB capable of attacking with the deep ball.

As we didn't use it last week, the two back set should be given a chance. It would also be nice to see Darcy Brown make a few receptions.

I heard PETA will be at Taylor Field protesting the tiger cat slaughter Saturday night.
They do have a running back capable of hitting the holes but it's his hesitation that is concerning. Guilty of trying too milk extra yards out of a play at the expense of the gap closing. PETA will be disappointed. Riders are overhyped.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby jordan02 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:11 pm

We will be hard pressed to win games this year unless the running game gets going. Not sure if anyone else noticed this but Montreal was dropping more and more guys into coverage in the second half because they realized we couldn't run it. Other teams will do this as well until Cobb decides he's going to hit a hole instead of dancing behind it.
How do you attack the Riders D? Establish a run game.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby TheBeast » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:12 pm

jordan02 wrote:We will be hard pressed to win games this year unless the running game gets going. Not sure if anyone else noticed this but Montreal was dropping more and more guys into coverage in the second half because they realized we couldn't run it. Other teams will do this as well until Cobb decides he's going to hit a hole instead of dancing behind it.
How do you attack the Riders D? Establish a run game.


Agreed. 25 rushing yards per game isn't going to cut it. Not even close.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby BillyDee87 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:06 pm

I have to agree with the posters above, except the "no RB no QB" guy. I would only add that, as the Riders defencive front is quite quick, if the Cats can get Cobb going (and by Cobb I really mean the runblocking) some misdirection in the backfield should be thrown in. The 2-back set with Cobb and Thigpen from the Calgary game would be a great plan. The misdirection and fake hand-offs really threw the D line off in that game.

Also,this will be quite a test for the Cats secondary. They played great against Montreal. Hope they can prove it wasn't a fluke.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Katmandu » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:30 pm

Very knowlegeable suggestions by all! How about some more?
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby Onknight » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:23 pm

Calgary went after The Riders by Running at Them
Using Angles to help spring their Running backs
From what I have Watched of Riders the D is very fast
but Over pursuit cost them on Plays in a few games.
They can be cut back on.
I think using a Combo of quick passing and balance Cut back Running should do the job
At least in the 1st half.

When I watch The Linebackers somes play they drop back 3 to 5 yards then come up to stop the run.
when they do the move is quickly done
a good Block and a move should spring Cobb or Thiggy in secondary
This what I saw from watching my HD TV ..
I am sure coaches Tape would show more on how to work the Riders D.

I am sure coaches have great game plan
But then half time adjustments and This Team need to work on that IMO.
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Re: How Do You Attack The Riders D?

Postby -Hammer- » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:30 pm

You have your center tell the opposing D. Linemen "Hey, aren't you guys short one guy?" at which point the next play the 13th man makes another appearance.
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